-On September 14, 2010 10:13:44 PM -0400 Jeff Ogden wrote:
Did the U.S. Navy or more specifically the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, CA. ever run MTS or have a copy of MTS? I ask because I found three master's thesis from the NPGS in the early 1970s that all talk about MTS. Some even sound as if they ran a modified copy. Of course I don't have copies of the papers, just the titles and abstracts.
-On Sep 16, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Mike Alexander wrote:
They had a copy of MTS and certainly tested it. I'm not sure if they ever ran it in production, but that depends on your exact definition of "production". I can't remember the name of our contact there right now, but probably could look it up when I get home.
-On September 17, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Bruce Arden wrote:
Peter and Dorothy Denning were employed by NPGS and still have connections there. The abstracts sounded like something Peter would supervise but, after a little Googling, he wasn't employed there until 2000. He still could have been involved. They formerly lived in Monterey but are in neighboring Salinas now. If you think this is worth a follow-up, I can do it.
Miscellaneous factoid: NPGS is on the grounds of the former Del Monte Hotel. This once posh hotel, where starlets came to be seen in the twenties and thirties, was taken by the Navy in the early forties and never given back. It was first a preflight school and then secondary training for prospective radar technicians, specifically me! It was no doubt the best barracks an enlisted man ever had. If it ever returned to civilian use I promised myself that I would return, rent a room, set the alarm to 5:30 am, turn it off in the morning and go back to sleep. It didn't happen.
-On November 3, 2010 2:49:50 PM -0400 Jeff Ogden wrote:
Does anyone know anything about the use of MTS at the Naval Post Graduate School? Bruce Arden wondered if this had something to do with Peter Denning's work there, but the timing seems a little off.
-On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Mike Alexander wrote:
I don't think Peter Denning had anything to do with that. By the way did you recall that his wife, Dorothy Denning, worked at the CC for a while?
[I didn't remember this, although Bruce Arden may have mentioned it to me. -Jeff]
And from the notes for the D3.0 MTS distribution:
Pimporn C. Zelany
W. R. Church Computer Center
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, CA 93940
On Mar 17, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Jeff Ogden wrote:
I ordered three publications that covered aspects of MTS from NTIS. They arrived in the U.S. Mail today. I've only glanced at them so far.
A Comparative Study of the Michigan Terminal System (MTS) with other Time Sharing Systems for the IBM 360/67 Computer, a 1971 masters thesis by Elbert Hinson of the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, Calif., 80 pp., compares MTS 2.0 to CP-67 with OS/MVT and indirectly to TSS. The abstract includes this statement: "MTS proves to be the superior time sharing system." And the last sentence of the conclusion section says: "It is the authors belief that MTS would provide superior performance and the confirmation evaluation test should be made as soon as possible, so that the user could enjoy the benefits of MTS." The thesis advisor was G. H. Syms.
The other two documents are:
I'll try to scan all three documents. It will be a little bit of a pain since they are two sided and my scanner won't do two sides using the automatic sheet feeder.
Does any one know Hinson, Syms, Raetz, Lancaster, or Barksdale?
On Mar 17, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Jeff Ogden wrote:
I found another interesting statement in Hinson's paper:
The programming staff, especially Michael Alexander, at the University of Michigan was very helpful and responsive to questions and problems.
Not that I would have expected anything less.
On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Jeff Ogden wrote:
A PDF of the first 40 pages is available. I omitted the MTS Operators Manual appendix for now.
See Hinson1971.pdf in the Main section on the Documents and files page of the MTS Archive site: